tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post5653909966124024422..comments2024-03-09T13:49:30.039+05:30Comments on Variety SF: Robert Heinlein's "The Puppet Masters" (novel, alien invasion): Parasitic aliens are taking over humanityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-30195082216157291162012-11-04T23:08:37.451+05:302012-11-04T23:08:37.451+05:30--Also, parts of the world where there was casual ...--Also, parts of the world where there was casual nudity were mentioned as not being taken over--<br />Ah yes, I forgot about that. Been a few years since I read it.<br />...But I'm sure it was an American who saved the world in the end haha!dedeurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09775849527808927607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-60332122739185767592012-10-18T18:19:16.435+05:302012-10-18T18:19:16.435+05:30Although the novel concentrated on the U.S., other...Although the novel concentrated on the U.S., other parts of the world were mentioned. Specifically a mission to the Soviet Union were the slugs appeared to have taken over completely. Also, parts of the world where there was casual nudity were mentioned as not being taken over.<br /><br />The original screenwriter for the movie was a Heinlein fan who tried to incorporate key elements from the novel (Terry Rossio ). He wrote an essay on how the movie and screenplay got so screwed up. http://www.wordplayer.com/columns/wp15.Building.the.Bomb.htmlMatt Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-64892936092017892672012-10-18T16:39:15.171+05:302012-10-18T16:39:15.171+05:30A particular funny aspect of the Puppet Masters id...A particular funny aspect of the Puppet Masters idea is that humans are forced to walk around exposed in the nude. As usual Heinlein, with personal interests in nudism, lays it on too thick. After a short period of nation wide blushing, the population relents to Operation Bareback, yeah, sure. 'Fortunately', the invasion happens during the summer months! (and of course only in America) but when fall comes near, everyone starts to get really worried. <br />Filmed in 1994 with Donald Sutherland, and nine screenwriters were needed. It was decided that Operation Bareback had to be deleted from the script. It would have looked ridiculous, of course. The president of the US in the Oval Room nekkid? No way.<br />But I prefer a silly Heinlein novel over a rationalized Hollywood movie version. dedeurshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09775849527808927607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-53807494336038949352012-02-20T01:06:48.072+05:302012-02-20T01:06:48.072+05:30OK - they can match the immune system on host, so ...OK - they can match the immune system on host, so they're not rejected.<br /><br />Think about what would have happened to humans if everyone was to kiss everyone in sight at every opportunity?<br /><br />What the slugs are ensuring is that body fluids of their hosts (ok, indirectly) will now suddenly be exchanged far more often than is the norm for hosts. I'm still puzzled how they survived the evolution.Tinkoohttp://variety-sf.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-61560497125868132392012-02-18T23:33:48.317+05:302012-02-18T23:33:48.317+05:30Heinlein makes a point that the slugs rely on the ...Heinlein makes a point that the slugs rely on the immune systems of their hosts. <br /><br />And if they did not, they would risk rejecting the host as parts of the slugs' feeding and nervous system infiltrate through the hosts' skin. The slugs' immune systems (if any) would need to identify and accept the foreign tissue of their hosts immediately for the slugs to successfully feed and control their hosts.<br /><br />Also, if you look at parasites like tapeworms or flukes you really don't see much, if any immune systems in them. They are adapted to infiltrate an immune system rather than have one of their own.<br /><br />In addition the disease that killed the slugs is also nearly 100% deadly to humans. It's just that the slugs die earlier, and only by a matter of hours.Matt Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03482495381989656774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-57696993748279185512012-02-18T11:36:44.570+05:302012-02-18T11:36:44.570+05:30Yes for their origin.
I personally don't reca...Yes for their origin.<br /><br />I personally don't recall their genetic engg part, though I wondered how they could live on earth unprotected. I might have been half asleep when reading over this part - I read large part of this story late night.<br /><br />About evolution never having to worry about their infection spreading vulnerability. I'm not sure. Infection is not such an uncommon event.Tinkoohttp://variety-sf.blogspot.in/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7172359179613729870.post-78369157484397012152012-02-18T10:26:29.328+05:302012-02-18T10:26:29.328+05:30The Earth specific invasion may have originated on...The Earth specific invasion may have originated on Titan, but the implication is that the slugs may have originated outside of the Solar System. And Titan was simply another conquest and jumping off point for the conquest of Earth.<br /><br />The slugs also appear to be quite the genetic engineers. They engineer themselves in order to adapt to the target planet (in this case Earth). Slugs adapted for the conditions on Titan would not be able to survive on Earth without artificial support. And it is certainly conceivable that the artificial evolution that they used to adapt themselves to different planets/moons/ecologies they may have overlooked some vulnerabilities and relied too much on their hosts' immune systems.Matt Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03482495381989656774noreply@blogger.com