Showing posts with label Bombay Terror Attacks November 2008. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bombay Terror Attacks November 2008. Show all posts

Thursday, December 4, 2008

We vs They (Off-topic: Bombay terror attacks, 26-29 November 2008)

Muslims vs others.

There seems to be a sentiment, more common in overseas reports but not unknown in India either, that these attacks highlight a muslim vs everybody else divide. They don't, & muslims as a community are not the enemy (though the attackers were muslim fanatics who thought they were on some sort of religious jihad). Here are some facts:
  1. Close to a third of the victims are muslim, according to a TV report. Someone apparently counted the number of muslim victims in the list published by the state government.
  2. Managements of muslim graveyards in Bombay are adamant none of the killed terrorists will get burial in their yard.
  3. If my personal testimonies count, I live in a place close to a muslim majority neighborhood; have never had reason to think of the community as enemy, & I often buy stuff from their shops. One of the five families on my floor is muslim. One of my closest friends in college was a muslim, & a deeply religious one at that.

Rich vs poor.

There seems to be a not uncommon view in Indian media that the reason these attacks are getting this massive attention is because they involved five star hotels & their rich patrons. I would beg to disagree.

The reason I'm not able to get these events off my mind is the 3 days of non-stop TV coverage. No other terrorist attack here has lasted this long. And more importantly, the complete helplessness of the state.

This event highlighted more than anything else that we need a complete overhaul of our public institutions. And most of the sane coverage of the event post-act is focused on this, apart from bringing the guilty to book. Of course there is sensationalism too, but that's comes with private media.

Unequal access to morgue.

This left a very bad taste.

Relatives of victims that came in early had to spend 10-12 hours, sometimes run across more than one morgue, to get the body. This time later went down to 1-2 hours & a single location.

Since most early victims were at CST (about 60 died when the automatic guns opened at the crowded railway station), & later ones from 5 star hotels, there may be an association; government servants aren't above giving differential treatment depending on the kind of cloths someone is wearing. Or may be it was simply that the systems got streamlined as time went by.

There is also at least one recorded case where a relative of someone rescued from hotel on day 2 was asked by hospital to shell out money before the treatment. I'm not sure of the extent of injuries on this victim.

Differential treatment at Taj.

While by & large, most rescued are all praise for the two hotels, I recall at least two unsavory accounts - both from Taj.

In one case, hotel was evacuating a lady described as a VIP but refusing to evacuate an ordinary journalist alongside. Journalist appealed to VIP, & VIP's intervention got her out early!

Second instance got a lot of coverage on TV - day 2 or 3. A doctor couple trapped inside were giving first aid to an injured hotel staff member. They called up someone from hotel - probably wanting to know where to find something at their current location. They were welcomed with a query about the department of the injured, interpreted by doctors as if the hotel cared more about some injured than about others.

News: A bomb apparently planted by terrorists on 26th at CST station was found & defused yesterday. No one was hurt, though it raises serious questions about the thoroughness of combing personnel. This was one of the at least 6 bombs they'd planted at the beginning of the attacks of which 2 actually went off that fateful day at different places, killing 3.
Update 5 December 2008: Cops say each terrorist was carrying an 8 kg bomb - making 10 bombs in all. All 10 have now been accounted for.

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Wednesday, December 3, 2008

The Defenders (Off-topic: Bombay terror attacks, 26-29 November 2008)

Almost all private discussions on the subject seems to end on an extremely uncomfortable point: Nearly 2000 troops drawn from army & navy, including 250 (later augmented to 500) odd especially trained in urban warfare. Plus innumerable city cops. They take 3 days to bring down just 8 terrorists, & have to sacrifice 2 military men in the process!!!

And these 8 were not even concentrated at one location. Only 2 were able to hold the two towers of Oberoi, 4 were able to hold 2 towers of Taj! However well trained, armed, or motivated they might have been - it just doesn't make sense.

We do know the terrorists were not invulnerable. Girgaum beach encounter happened on 26th around the time cops realized the seriousness of attack. Both terrorists approaching this roadblock were dispatched in spite of their superior arms & training - one killed by a cop with an ordinary service revolver, other overpowered by unarmed cops.
Update: Forgot mentioning. Catching the automatic gun wielding terrorist by unarmed cops did cost the life of a policeman - ASI Mr Tukaram Omble.

So how do we explain the 3 day standoff?

  1. It doesn't appear to be because of hostages welfare - most of them were killed before NSG reached the sites. Besides, a prolonged fight is guaranteed to harm more hostages.
  2. It could not have been for the safety of buildings. Prolonged fight did serious damage to all buildings, including major structural damage to at least 2 buildings.
There was a remark, I think on TV & I think by one of the NSG officers on 29th, after the end of operations. Something to the effect - if given a free hand, we could have finished this job in 15 minutes! So why did it drag on for 3 days?

Only thing that makes sense seems to be some sort of negotiations with the terrorists, which the government denies. Can someone think of another explanation? What am I missing?

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Mumbai terrorist attacks & Frederick Forsyth's "The Dogs of War"

At The Yorkshire Ranter, someone finds Bombay's terrorist attacks last week very similar in planning & execution to Frederick Forsyth's "The Dogs of War". Book has apparently been used in similar attacks elsewhere too. I haven't read this book, though I might now.

[via Chales Stross]

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Homeland of Bombay terrorists

Jason Burke at the Guardian has a report on the terrorist breeding grounds from where Kasab, the sole arrested one, came.

I actually used to have a good impression of Multan region. I've had some friends whose grandparents were partition refugees from this region. Rot must have set after partition.

[via Charles Stross]

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Sunday, November 30, 2008

Off-topic: Bombay terror attacks, 26-29 November 2008: Soft targets

Terrorism is said to be inevitable because of so many "soft targets". Cannot we harden some of these so called "soft" targets?

These are a layman's opinions. Men with security experience are invited to pick holes & suggest alternatives. But I'm convinced we need not be sitting ducks.

Visible security vs effective security.

CST station, Oberoi & Taj need not have been so soft targets. Oberoi didn't even have armed security (I'm not sure of Taj)! Apparently because of difficult regulations. Oberoi is now going to approach the government to be allowed armed guards, according to its chairman!

CST security men were completely ineffective. I would assume stations the size of two adjacent CST stations would be secured by electronic surveillance with armed snipers stationed (or deployable in minutes) on higher floors & in touch with surveillance control room, in addition to mobile security staff. No such thing apparently exists!

Closed circuit cameras are basically a decoration - to answer criticism on weak security! One of the first responses from someone at station on identifying killers via video footage was - it's unlikely to be possible because there are so few cameras!

Liberal access to guns.

I'm aware it's hearsay in India, but one of the things that has stayed with me from US 9/11 attacks is a comment by someone in US - something to the effect: 9/11 happened because US government insisted on disarming all passengers boarding an aircraft. A dozen armed passengers might have stopped the terrorists.

That also applies to Bombay. It was plain butchering on November 26 in Leopold Cafe, CST, open roads, Cama Hospital, ... A very few light machine gun wielding men simply switching on their guns, & people dying like hapless sheep! I know untrained normal civilians were no match for them, but they were so few in number! And they knew the crowed they were shooting at were disarmed by local government - kind of presenting them soft targets on a platter!

Incidentally, has anyone heard a criminal or terrorist ever had trouble procuring a gun? They are the ones the gun controls are supposed to stop!

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Off-topic: Bombay terror attacks, 26-29 November 2008: Yes, Minister

While virtually all politicians in Bombay & Delhi have been giving meaningless platitudes, one stood out of crowd - Mr Shivraj Patil, Home Minister of India.

Man in charge of country's internal security was very specific & helpful - to terrorists! He is the one who's supposed to have told media (& hence terrorists, since they were monitoring media) exactly when & in what strength NSG is going to storm the 3 buildings they were controlling - killing all surprise! NSG top brass was fuming, but I haven't heard much about it after 27th.

News: Today afternoon, the gentleman was out of union cabinet - apparently in a political move to contain damage. There have been a host of security lapses that made the attacks so successful for terrorists.

Related note: I'm puzzled by the fact that security forces allowed live TV coverage of their operations on 27th, even after realizing it was hampering the operations because terrorists inside could access media via internet. News came with a delay only on 28th.

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Saturday, November 29, 2008

Regulars might want to stay away this week

While I will be regularly posting, most posts this week will be off topic - about Bombay terrorist attacks. Mostly things that are being discussed with some passion privately, but not loudly enough in mass media. More information on attacks is available on almost any India centric news service.

I could not post yesterday because of a local power trouble in my building. Unrelated to attacks. Sorry.

I should return to regular subjects of this site coming weekend. Thanks for your time.

Status as of now:

  1. Taj, the most prominant landmark that has been under seize, is now being combed. 3 terrorists were killed today morning.
  2. Oberoi, the other major landmark, was cleared of terrorists yesterday evening & last I checked, it was still being combed.
  3. Nariman Bhavan, a relatively small building in a densely populated residential area that is said to have housed some sort of religious/cultural center of Jewish community & that gave the attacks their Israel dimension, was also cleared yesterday. I think its combing was finally over yesterday evening or night.

Thursday, November 27, 2008

No post today

About the only thing worth talking about today in Bombay is the continuing terrorist attacks. It's 21 hours since the attacks began - they're still holding 3 buildings - two of them major landmarks of downtown & one of these a city icon. Over 100 dead by now, more than 300 hurt, & an unspecified number still trapped inside these buildings. All by 2 dozen heavily armed 25 year olds who don't even know why they are doing it - going by phone interviews of 2 terrorists on TV!

I might do a longer post on the subject after there is some kind of closure, but there certainly will be no normal post today.